Comments - Grand_Nagus

Hi there,

I want to give you a word of advice: start mapping for other games!

Your maps have potential but I feel that potential is wasted on RPG-X and Elite Force in general. In that respect, Jedi Academy has a more active modding and mapping community and I do believe that if you were to team up with Apprentice, your maps will receive the level of sophistication it needs plus it will grand you more exposure as a mapper.

At least think about it!

Grand Nagus
Developer of the Elite Force modifications "Mario Mod" and "Update Mod"

Hopefully The Last Outpost will come to their senses, since your version is more sophisticated then TLO's released counterpart. Klaw has potential but it doesn't come out yet since he is still running 15 years late.

I certainly hope you will release this map. It would be a shame if it were to be lost!

Look good. Slightly different then its original Elite Force and Jedi Academy counter parts but it looks promising. I cannot wait for the full version.

Also kuddo's for incorporating The Dark Project's design motives!

It's sad that it had to come to this. From a pretty active developed mod (both in-house and third-party) to a graveyard in pretty much less then a year. This is unfortunately what happens when one man's ego must be larger then life itself and the primary reason why I never released the source code of my Update Mod, something Scooter would have been thrilled to see it happen.

There is no "I" in "us", "we" and "team" but especially TiM and what remains of the RPG-X community still believe to this day there is. With everything that has happened, I say that The Last Outpost fully supports and endorses everything Apprentice has tried to combat and that is not how a community should function, despite any personal feelings against Apprentice but unfortunately it no longer matters what is being said but who is saying it.

It's sad that it had to come to this. From a pretty active developed mod (both in-house and third-party) to a graveyard in pretty much less then a year. This is unfortunately what happens when one man's ego must be larger then life itself and the primary reason why I never released the source code of my Update Mod, something Scooter would have been thrilled to see it happen.

There is no "I" in "us", "we" and "team" but especially TiM and what remains of the RPG-X community still believe to this day there is. With everything that has happened, I say that The Last Outpost fully supports and endorses everything Apprentice has tried to combat and that is not how a community should function, despite any personal feelings against Apprentice but unfortunately it no longer matters what is being said but who is saying it.

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Think I'll fire up ab_release02 in RPG-X 2.4 to celebrate this new milestone.

Instead of making this comment in the first place, Evilgrizz could have chosen to remain silent. Instead, he has made another comment dissing and ditching Apprentice, actually I would call it the digital equalivant of kicking someone who is already down and indeed like some bully, Evilgrizz has taken his ‘prize’ and is now parading the entire schoolyard. Very childish and very immature from someone who claims to be “mature”.

Apprentice is not the scum of the earth. Apprentice is a equal human being just like you and as long as you refuse to talk to him (that also includes responding to his arguments), I do believe that you have chosen to regard him as sub-human. That you refuse to say it right to his face, does not make it anything else: your actions do speak in this matter.

If Evilgrizz is “mature”, then I challenge Evilgrizz to come with properly drafted response. One without ranting, backed up with evidence and most importantly: the proper context and perspective of all arguments involved including Apprentice’s! If not, then I say that Evilgrizz’s last comment is very signifying of what happend here within the RPG-X community.

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One rant after another about how bad Apprentice "truly is", not one comment about anything Apprentice brought into the mix. Instead, Apprentice MUST and Apprentice SHALL be perceived as the scum of the earth and all because Apprentice fights a very questionable punishment. A punishment that is very much based on Tim Oliver’s larger then life ego! I would not accept such “punishment” either and neither would Evilgrizz and anyone else for that matter.

In that regard, I agree with Evilgrizz's statement that there is no point in debating this further and that is not for the reasons he is providing. There is simply no point because you can not and will not see Apprentice as anything else then ”bad”. The same Apprentice that defended people on the Ubergames board, the same Apprentice that repeatedly tried to talk in order to resolve this matter and it was the same Apprentice that advertised Evilgrizz’s RPG event on his homepage and picked up on one of his videos when Asteroid Base II was in development.

I also like to mention that there is no evidence of anything Apprentice may have done in the above rant. Say what you want about Apprentice, he did come with evidence. As for Evilgrizz, I apperantly have to assume that he is telling me the truth or is this the way the RPG-X community work? Acuse everyone without anyform of evidence and remove the ability to defend themselves? That is apperantly the case here and I am very glad I have never joined The Last Outpost and if Tim doesn’t need to apologize and Evilgrizz doesn’t need to apologize, why must and why shall Apprentice offer an apology other then to satisfy some twisted and perverted egoes?

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Apprentice and Tim have both been right and both terribly wrong. They are right for the wrong reasons and wrong for the right reasons but personal motives prohibited any form of resolution in this matter.

The problem in this matter, is the hatred against Apprentice. I will now quote a personal message from Evilgrizz which was sent to me some time ago:

You know, Apprentice didn't get banned from three RPG-X communities because everyone suddenly decided they didn't like him anymore. He was banned because he compared moderators to Nazi guards. He was banned for making demeaning and condescending remarks to other members without provocation. He was banned for associating a perfectly sociable board with Auschwitz. He was banned for defamatory slurs against administrators. He was banned for blogging completely unnecessary and disproportionate attacks towards members of those communities.

He broke the rules and was unable to accept the punishment, so just continued to dig further. If you want to talk about attaching labels to people - then comparing the likes of EFFiles, Ubergames, the RPG-X community and The Last Outpost at large to bullies and children because they chose to remove a toxic personality from their boards, is one hell of a way to go.

We both know there's no point debating this as nothing will come of it and nothing need to. The communities involved are doing just fine, the mod is still in development and new members are still arriving to try it out 7 years later. I'm sure Apprentice is more-than-happily developing for another game. But he was just an individual who was removed from a community because he caused many problems within it. I, as another individual, am happy to go more than 100 rounds with the man. But this deluded defense of some multi-community, unfounded witch hunt, bullying him out and labeling him "sub-human" (a title he only took for himself) has been utterly preposterous from the start.

I make no apology for his removal on behalf of those responsible. I make no apology for my defense of those people. I make no apology for my response to having my support repaid by a legal notice. He deserved to be banned. I'm sure this will make it's way to Apprentice - but that's fine. It's over now. It's just a shame that an old dispute between individuals somehow turned in to mass defamation in a comments section.

A question everyone would like to know: does R3 feature only that what we have seen in R2 or are new areas included, such as the Deleted Scenes?

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What you all have failed to realize here, is the sheer commitment and dedication Apprentice has put in to get this resolved but instead, personal egos had to be pursued. No-one here seemed to be satisfied until each and everyone of you got his pound of flesh and if none of you got what you wanted, then Apprentice was tarnished instead with pitiful accusations and even more childish actions. That is what I see and I have a very hard time finding any maturity in that!

This whole thing has shown me that the RPG-X communities are a very bad horse to wage any bet on and I have no desire to spend my time with some bullying children who clearly haven't exceeded preschool! It's a shame really since it could've been so much more and if that means that I have to pick up a lightsaber rather then a phaser in order to play the next instalment of "Asteroid Base", so be it ... child!

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Thank you for your comments Evilgrizz, I know now to stay the hell away from the RPG-X communities and especially The Last Outpost! Any "community" that puts people away as second class or lower and then forms a 'cordon sanitaire' against them, is a "community" that has absolutely no legitimate claim on being a "mature community" and I have no desire and/or interest in joining such and I urge everyone else not affiliated here to do the same!

Apprentice did not punish you. Apprentice decided to take his business away (and only AFTER 18 months) from the RPG-X modification after being faced with someone who did and does not hesitate to supersede his own pride and his own ego above anything else time after time after time. In fact, I would've done the same but the only difference would've been that I had done it from day one and that would've meant that you wouldn't even have a revival of your "extremely successful and long-running roleplay". An event that Apprentice even advertised on his own website, the same website you criticized anonymously (no less!) because Apprentice decided to post some screenshots of his unfinished work for the RPG-X modification. Such action is even more ridiculous and extremely unfair, just as your action on the UberGames forums was! Shall we talk about that or is this the moment you are going to file a complaint against me?

Excellent screenshots. The original map was stunning and I never thought that it look just as good, perhaps even better outside the original Elite Force game.

Easy and convenient to put ALL the blame onto ONE person, isn't it? That way, none of you have to take responsibility, is it not? Just say "Apprentice is this" and "Apprentice is that" and all your hands are clean again. If there is an agenda at work here, I would say that THAT would be what is being pushed here.

My god! Is this the maturity the RPG-X communities possess? Petty bickering and name calling?

As far as I'm concerned, the "reality of this conflict" is that you all have been wrong, terribly wrong! Despite what you think of him, I say that Apprentice has more then enough validity in his arguments but every time he has tried to initiate an (open) dialogue, he's being hammered down with what he calls scapegoats and past transgressions (plus that Tim's skin isn't thick enough to handle the responsibilities of the position he is in).

I don't call that "mature" either and maturity also includes the ability to resolve differences despite past transgressions or are you going to tell me that maturity can be found all over the world, especially now in Montreux but not in the RPG-X communities? That would be the joke!

Wow ... I'm truly shocked on the way you have been treated, especially after being absent from the Elite Force modding community for so long.

I was thinking of releasing the source of my Update Mod but after seeing this, no way that that will ever happen.